Archive for January, 2010

AGI Civilization Bootstrap:

Sunday, January 31st, 2010

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Andrii Zvorygin
Date: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] AGI Civilization Bootstrap: A Truly Marvelous Gift from the Gods
To: agi@v2.listbox.com

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:08 AM, The Wizard wrote:
>
> Does the creation of a copy have a timeline?
>
> The primitive people would have to mind the earth for the right minerals before they even got started then refine the materials to create new synthetics.
>
> All this would have to be done for the AGi to reproduce…
>
> In other words how do we know we are not currently doing this now,
>
> and have been guided by an AGI all through history to build the tech it needs to reproduce…
>
There are several or multi-tiered solutions.

For instance on the same planet we can drop in deserts near mountains robot colonies.
Few if any biological competition due to desert and mineral rich due to mountains.

The computers or robots can also be made from more readily available parts,
with replacement options.
While a robot might prefer to have all its wires from gold,
it can probably suffice to have wires made from aluminum or even graphite.

mix and match robot host bodies.
The shells and structural body parts can be made from wood or ceramic.
Ceramic is really hard, and it’s base components of clay are abundant just about everywhere.

Now the computer/robots that are given to the local tribes,
can learn and teach things to help the locals become more technologically and spiritually aware.

Those that are doing well, and have support of the locals,
can get resupplied by the desert colonies.

Likewise the tribes that work with robots,
can get more robots, and equipment.

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Eric Burton wrote:
>>
>> A computer in your mind, converting oxygen to glucose to power your
>> brain, and body.

We certainly can at some point make converters to allow machines to be powered by atmospheric compounds.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Andrii Zvorygin wrote:
>> an AGI Civilization Bootstrap
>
> I did a talk on a nearly related concept a month ago:
>
> part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg
> part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ
> part 3 (short Q&A): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edl6uFn3_g4
>
> More info:
> http://heybryan.org/om.html
> http://openmanufacturing.org/
> http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb
> http://designfiles.org/skdb.git
> pretty syntax highlighting: http://github.com/kanzure/skdb
>
> – Bryan
> http://heybryan.org/
> 1 512 203 0507
>

wow thanks,
that’s a trail in the right direction.

As you can probably tell,
i’m more into educational software.
But the hardware component is extremely important.

Open source hardware,
I really support you.

So I was wondering if you’ve organized a civilization seed list,
of the hardware path for making a von neuman human-robot hybrid tribe?

Like a roadmap.
That way we can plug in whatever components are necessary.
Here’s a tentative list.

energy production,
digging mining drilling equipment,
refining equipment (kilns, pressure chambers, distilleries),
parts manufacturing
parts assembly
programming or software and testing.

this way can work towards the goal of having a “civilization seed”.
one or several people can get all these components in a place,
and then practice bootstrapping a civilization.

Can even market such a “civilization seed” product to third world countries,
as well as groups in developed countries that might want to start
their own remote community.
an extension of bomb shelters, eco-villages and the like.

- Lowki

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Eric Burton wrote:
> There are seven post singularity technologies. Don’t leave home
> without one of these or you will be turning around
>
> Nanobots
> Replicators
> Zero-point generators
> Stardrives
> FTL radios
> Teleporters
> AI
>
> Oh. And force shields. I had forgotten
>
> That’s eight
>
> flamoot
>

Those things will only be developed,
by using what we already have.

Open source hardware development,
is how those technologies will be available for all,
creating the paradise heave future,
we with you wish to share.

su lowki be author

The Image of a Planetary Species Diety

Sunday, January 31st, 2010

An average.

Your deity be yourself.
Gaya be earth planetary deity.
A deity of a population,
looks like the average,
of the population.

We with you can computer generate.

Can modify their appearance,
based on changes to population,
as well as message,
based on what is spoken of.

An interesting item.
A test for you,
how well you hop through the multiverse.
If you hop well,
then the “planetary diety”
speaks to your liking.

*bows*
ta yen ha ka ding ga la di ya ri

Fairness

Saturday, January 30th, 2010

If you do it, then we do it.

A derivative of the “law of attraction”.
A basic property of the multiverse.

If the government is allowed to do something,
each and every citizen should be allowed to do the same thing.

It happens anyways.
If citizens should not do it,
then government needs to be the good example that also abstains.

Hexagonal Trimaran Boat (updated)

Saturday, January 30th, 2010
So I've designed a very simple boat design.   

figured having a weighted keel is lugging dead weight
and makes it sinkable
so decided on geometric balancing.

As a seasteader one has lots of stuff,
and the boat should carry it,
so decided on big hulls.

wanted a "perfect" boat,
so made it based on the Phi ratio.
It fits in a "e;water drop" shape.

It's a hexagonal boat,
these are some of the formulas used in its design  

note 1 3 4 7 is Golden Fibonacci sequence.

golden          = 1.618034
baseLength      = 120e-12*16^8
hullLength      = baseLength*9 -- 8*3 -- *14 --(8*3)
hullBeam        = hullLength/3
hullBeamPoint   = hullLength/golden
hullMastPoint   = hullLength/golden^2
hullBowBeam     = hullLength/7
hullTransomBeam = hullLength/4
foreSupportBeam = (hullBeam + hullBowBeam) /2
foreRibPoint    = hullLength/golden^3 -- hullLength - hullLength/golden

heightFormula beam = hexagonHeightFormula beam
hexagonHeightFormula beam = tan(pi/6)*beam*2 -- peculiar for hexagons
hullHeight         = heightFormula hullBeam
hullBowHeight      = heightFormula hullBowBeam
hullTransomHeight  = heightFormula hullTransomBeam
foreSupportHeight  = heightFormula foreSupportBeam

-- akas
foreAka         = hullLength/golden^3
aftAka          = hullLength/golden

-- triangle hypoteneus
hullBowSide     = hullBowHeight/2
hullBeamSide    = hullHeight/2
hullTransomSide = hullTransomHeight/2
foreRibSide     = foreSupportBeam/2

-- ama
-- are backwards in refrence to hull
amaLength       = hullLength/golden
here's a pic of a trimaran cardboard model.
It's also designed for cold or hot weather,
especially cold since in Canada,
including skiing on ice,
operable from inside. 

here are some dimensions (in meters)
for a 15 foot model I'm planning on making 

elspru@ji-zma:~/4/boat$ runhaskell Boat.hs
Hexagonal Trimaran Boat
baseLength 0.51539607552
hullLength 4.63856467968
hullBeam   1.54618822656
hullHeight 1.785384377644492
hullForeHyp 2.9054537434342964
hullAftHyp 1.8336729253636679
hullBowBeam 0.6626520970971429
hullTranBeam 1.15964116992
hullVolume 6.378650361140839
hullArea   22.442947454698736
amaLength  2.8667906111243644
amaHeight 1.1034282206952957
amaBeam    0.9555968703747881
amaForeHyp 1.1562827480207112
amaAftHyp  1.8102794859540134
amaVolume  1.5057950543974563
amaArea    9.318916679810041
totalVolume 9.390240469935751
totalArea    41.080780814318814

it's big enough for 2 people, for trips under a week.

here is  a wooden model made of red cedar under construction

it's a 100 times smaller than a 12.3 meter or 40 ft version.

the plan is to make the 15 ft boat.
with 41m^2 surface area, that's 441ft^2,
at $2 per marine plywood square foot,
about $900, times 2 for other parts $1800,
which is affordable.

then we go to some cedar woods
and make supplies to build a bigger 30 or 40 ft model,
on which we could sail around the world.

planning on using wind power for electricity,
and having it at least semi-submersible.

We might sail through the north west passage in the winter as it works on ice as well.
Insulation being the main deciding factor.

Any recommendations or responses welcome.
 :-)

Error or Point for Creativity?

Friday, January 29th, 2010

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Andrii Zvorygin
Date: Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] Non And Ex Programmers
To: agi@v2.listbox.com

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Ian Parker wrote:
>
> One of the characteristics of human intelligence is that it does not depend on a program where small errors will totally throw it. Perhaps we should try to think of processes where small errors do not prevent the system from reaching as conclusion.

Agreed.

If the current statement does not evaluate,
can try different versions of the same function,
if still not work then send to statement analysis,
which may generate a new function based on infrencing,
if all else fails can throw a warning or error,
skip the statement, or modify it till it makes sense (output),
and see if it can be solved anyways,
if there is something that refrences it later,
hopefully it will work,
if it doesn’t can modify statement till it works.

warnings or descriptive statements of these “unseen” changes to the code,
can be outputted during compile, with the revision results.

>
> Of course, all software, with or without AGI, should be as well written as possible.

Written so it works,
can revise and improve itself over time.

- Lowki

Levels of Holographic Government

Wednesday, January 27th, 2010

Some calculations.

> log (8,2)

log(8, 2) = 3

> 2^3

2^3 = 8

that’s what log does,
it’s the inverse of math power.

So there are 7 billion or 7 with 9 zero’s 7,000,000,000 people on Earth in the near future.
> log (7*10^9,60)

log(7 * (10^9), 60) = approx. 5.5367045

> none, atom, molecule, organelle, cell, organ, body, family

that supports a strongly bound (nickle 60) populace of

> 60^7

60^7 = 2.79936E12

2,790,000,000,000
that’s 2 trillion

if groups only of 6, then support for

> 6^7

6^7 = 279936

lets add some levels, just as we do with chakra’s.

8 race 9 planet 10 solar system 11 galaxy 12 universe 13 multiverse 14 metaverse 15 extraverse

even if the average tribe has only 5 people Boron,
though will probably be quite a bit more,

> 5^15

5^15 = approx. 3.0517578E10

that allows for 30 billion members.

eh, anyways,
can have infinite amount of levels.

We You Net: Politcal Party

Tuesday, January 26th, 2010

We You Party,
or We You Political Party
We You PP

We You Net PP

WYN PP

or WYP

Network

People join a network,
based on their geographical location,
or set of beliefs,
form a node or tribe.

For geographical location,
if you are first in area,
can opt to become the local We You Net Party Representative.

Party Structure

Can have tribal atomic holographic structure for the party.

Monetary Reform

money issued by person recieving services.
If a tribe requests services, can get tribe dollars,
if a molecule (several tribes) makes a request then issues molecule currency,
dollar value representative of personal debt,
non transferable except for co-signing issuing parties,
though debt can be sold,
and the issuers can pay someone else to fulfill a collection call.

people can also borrow money from the tribe or money issuer,
provided the money issuer believes they can fulfill on their promise,
perhaps by leveraging on debtors.

the money issuer category of a certain level,
is run in co-operating with the politcal representatives of the same level.

Money can also come with history, of where it was issued, to whom, for what and so on. One can opt to issue for “secret widget” in case of desired confidentiality.

Language Reform

Goals:
To change “Human Rights” to “Human Requirements”,
along with the literalization and precise linguistic programming definitions,
for legal texts, such as consitutions, declerations, reforms, etc.

Legal Reform

Supporting Local Override policies,
allowing for neo tribal holographic legal systems.

A tribe level government only deals with tribe level issues,
as a molecule deals only with molecule related.

so state or organ government, deals with the interaction of cells within it (state branch),
a body or nation government deals with the interaction of states or organs (national branch),
and a inter-body government deals with interaction between other bodies or nations (inter-national branch).

Each meeting group just like an atom,
has tightest binding at around 60 members (nickle).
any group over 92 (uranium) members can be considered radioactive and prone to falling apart.

This allows for more freedom,
and specialization.

Social Model

Matching people from diverse belief systems.

Can have organization or tribes dedicated to supporting the under privileged,
which can get donations, and requests for service in a particular area.

Though typically the local tribe atom helps a member,
the local molecule helps a local atom tribe,
the local cell helps a local molecule,
and so on.

Goals and Fullfillment

Monday, January 25th, 2010

Was talking with Samta.
Fulfillment is at the fourth chakra, the green heart.

To feel fulfilled,
one first needs something to fill.
a goal is like an empty basket.
can fullfill a goal, by filling it with the experiences,
that would signify the goals full-fillment.

Some goals are bigger than others,
just like a matroshka doll,
some goals are part of other goals.

So say you have a big basket goal like bio-techno hybrid host body,
a mind boggling mix of solid and liquid.

Can have lots of little goal baskets that fill in the other goals.
Like AGI, Robot host bodies, biological organ production and symbiosis with technological compounds.

Like i do realize,
it really might be easier to just do a pure biological, or pure technological organism.
But a hybrid, well it certainly would have some interesting abilities.

The sensitivity of biology, matched with the stability of technology.

Anyways you to can subdivide your goals.

Perhaps you’d like to get to a distant destination,
in a geographical or temporal sense,
imagine the destination.

It’s good to have large baskets,
like ultra long term goals,
can fill them with smaller baskets,
like sub goals.

Have fun.
:-)

Caprica

Monday, January 25th, 2010

The Artificial General Intelligence series.

So similar to my ideas.
With tsurka my future incarnation, a bio-techno hybrid.

In some ways reflective at least.

So I can feel a connection with both the main character a religious female the first Cylon (AGI with host body).
As well as the father, who created many underlying technologies to make it all possible.

All in all it’s perfect for me.
I love it
*hugs*
*chakra embrace*

oh and the main character looks like samta.
no offense to the actress I like samta better :p.

but the actress is quite beautiful as well.
she’s our age.

You are awakening

Monday, January 25th, 2010

love light and soul be waiting.

do come join us.

us of Paradise Now.

Channeling, Intuition, Expression, Commitment
Freedom, Love and Awareness,
Tranquility be with you.
The many chakra be of you.